1 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:05,300 welcome to tales from the rabbit hole 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:08,910 I'm your host Nick West I guess today 3 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,490 wants to remain anonymous so I'm gonna 4 00:00:16,490 --> 00:00:13,950 refer to him as Paul not his real name 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:16,500 I'm also going to obscure the video of 6 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:18,930 him in the YouTube version and I'm going 7 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:22,590 to disguise his voice a little bit now 8 00:00:28,670 --> 00:00:25,560 Paul used to be a big promoter of the 9 00:00:30,980 --> 00:00:28,680 Planet X conspiracy theory this theory 10 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:30,990 was basically that there was some kind 11 00:00:37,819 --> 00:00:35,670 of extra planet or a brown dwarf star or 12 00:00:39,260 --> 00:00:37,829 something orbiting the Sun and the 13 00:00:41,959 --> 00:00:39,270 government was kind of trying to hide 14 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:41,969 this up because it's a impending 15 00:00:48,139 --> 00:00:44,190 apocalypse and people kept posting lots 16 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:48,149 of videos on YouTube including Paul of 17 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:50,520 basically things like lens flare and 18 00:00:56,299 --> 00:00:54,750 just spots around the Sun that were just 19 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:56,309 perfectly normal things but were being 20 00:01:00,529 --> 00:00:59,280 misinterpreted as being this this planet 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:00,539 that was going to bring about the end of 22 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:03,690 the world Paul ended up working with a 23 00:01:09,380 --> 00:01:05,640 couple of other people who he talks 24 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:09,390 about in this podcast but eventually he 25 00:01:15,980 --> 00:01:13,680 figured out that it was all nonsense he 26 00:01:18,859 --> 00:01:15,990 worked with a debunker called dazzla the 27 00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:18,869 cameraman and as I kind of convinced him 28 00:01:24,230 --> 00:01:21,119 that that this was not actually 29 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:24,240 happening so this podcast is where Paul 30 00:01:28,219 --> 00:01:26,520 will tell his story and explain how he 31 00:01:31,399 --> 00:01:28,229 got into it how he got out of it and 32 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:31,409 what he's been doing since and what 33 00:01:34,819 --> 00:01:32,070 happened 34 00:01:38,170 --> 00:01:34,829 one thing he talks about in the podcast 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:38,180 is daxing doxxing is the practice of 36 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:41,130 publishing personal documents and 37 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:43,320 photographs of people on the internet as 38 00:01:48,889 --> 00:01:45,600 a form of harassment and intimidation 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:48,899 and a way of dissuading people from 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:50,450 doing things on the Internet 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:54,930 and Paul was the subject of daxing okay 42 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:56,970 let's hear from Paul 43 00:02:04,090 --> 00:01:59,640 so all of the details from the rabbit 44 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:04,100 hole you contacted me on Twitter and 45 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:06,150 yeah that's why I really appreciate you 46 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:09,390 doing this why don't you just start out 47 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:11,520 by telling people why you contacted me 48 00:02:18,890 --> 00:02:15,200 and you know kind of what your story is 49 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:18,900 sure I've always kind of been a 50 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:23,420 conspiracy buff by often with tell folks 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:27,930 that I would check out books on UFOs and 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:34,610 aliens around five six anyway so I 53 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:36,210 noticed that 54 00:02:43,420 --> 00:02:39,030 so I sense I'm a UFO guy I kind of have 55 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:43,430 an eye on UFO stuff and I noticed your 56 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:47,760 work on the tick-tack UFO and I'm like 57 00:02:54,230 --> 00:02:51,090 this guy's a friggin genius he just has 58 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:54,240 such a solid debunking frame of mind 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:02:58,860 that I haven't seen I just haven't seen 60 00:03:04,010 --> 00:03:02,010 or experienced I have experienced some 61 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:04,020 of the folks on YouTube that have helped 62 00:03:09,140 --> 00:03:06,120 me and I appreciate their efforts 63 00:03:13,630 --> 00:03:09,150 tremendously but this kind of was a new 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:16,850 there's I feel there's some substance to 65 00:03:21,050 --> 00:03:18,570 it there's something there I don't think 66 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:21,060 we can identify everything and we don't 67 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:22,860 have full control of the entire air 68 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:25,530 space so yeah that's why I reached out 69 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:27,959 to saw how good you work and I figured 70 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:29,910 that you could tell my story all right 71 00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:33,140 and so you you mentioned that you were 72 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:36,300 you know very into the whole Planet X 73 00:03:44,509 --> 00:03:41,280 thing yes some time ago can you tell me 74 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:44,519 like if how you first started getting 75 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:48,260 into that aspect oh sure well things 76 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:52,680 roughly December of 2013 I was separated 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:03:56,400 from my ex-wife and I had a serious 78 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:01,170 liver issue hepatitis C and about at 79 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:04,170 that time I had had it for about 23 80 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:06,450 years I figured I was gonna die from it 81 00:04:11,330 --> 00:04:08,370 I never thought that there would be a 82 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:11,340 cure so I'm like whatever 83 00:04:19,849 --> 00:04:18,060 I was in a bad state of mind and I guess 84 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:19,859 that's the only thing I can attribute it 85 00:04:25,249 --> 00:04:21,780 to because I've really tried to figure 86 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:25,259 out where all of this started for me so 87 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:28,440 I'm already conspiracy buff and then I'm 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:30,180 going through some bad times that go to 89 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:33,330 YouTube to look for answers and I don't 90 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:35,699 know why it is but I did and I came 91 00:04:42,409 --> 00:04:40,800 across the planet X topic while I'm also 92 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:42,419 a member of the Church of Jesus Christ 93 00:04:47,629 --> 00:04:45,210 of latter-day saints um interesting 94 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:47,639 religious views so it's a real 95 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:50,930 interesting culmination of ideas and 96 00:04:55,340 --> 00:04:53,820 thoughts feelings etc that got me to the 97 00:04:58,010 --> 00:04:55,350 point that I started looking at YouTube 98 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:58,020 and the planet next topic it just took 99 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:00,900 off for me it seemed to resonate 100 00:05:05,990 --> 00:05:03,150 something with me I didn't understand 101 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:06,000 anything about lens flares anything 102 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:09,630 about astronomy astrophysics etc and it 103 00:05:14,930 --> 00:05:12,720 caught my eye and I kind of ran with it 104 00:05:17,980 --> 00:05:14,940 I think there's a term it's called a 105 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:17,990 path Nia where you have like random 106 00:05:25,339 --> 00:05:20,910 events and ideas that you kind of put 107 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:25,349 together to mean something I don't have 108 00:05:30,589 --> 00:05:28,830 a very good explanation it's like 109 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:30,599 basically finding patterns in things 110 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:33,449 like it's gonna be human right so I'm 111 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:36,360 I'm seeing the patterns right and I'm a 112 00:05:40,370 --> 00:05:39,780 sucker so I'm like I'm hooked like a 113 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:40,380 drug 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:43,470 literally that I was so interested to 115 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:50,130 see what is this thing by the Sun and I 116 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:51,750 ran with it I started making YouTube 117 00:05:59,620 --> 00:05:54,990 videos and I got a popular and it just 118 00:06:07,100 --> 00:05:59,630 kind of took off into some narcissistic 119 00:06:09,379 --> 00:06:07,110 ego was the fear porn psychological I 120 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:09,389 don't know what else to call it man some 121 00:06:13,219 --> 00:06:11,310 kind of an addiction I mean there's 122 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:13,229 everything I said it just was wrapped 123 00:06:18,649 --> 00:06:16,500 into one I was kind of a mindfuck I I 124 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:18,659 don't know how else to say it sorry for 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:21,090 swearing I just was encaptured and 126 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:24,010 enthralled in this topic 127 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:25,840 I did everything I could to try to 128 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:31,090 defend it never bothering to look at hmm 129 00:06:35,790 --> 00:06:33,550 what people were trying to say because I 130 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:35,800 just immediately blocked comments I had 131 00:06:40,380 --> 00:06:38,320 disabled them I wouldn't respond to any 132 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:40,390 YouTube messages I would block people an 133 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:43,180 email and if anyone made video responses 134 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:45,580 I would ignore them alright so I just 135 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:48,180 kind of kept going beeline to this topic 136 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:50,530 everyone's a troll everyone's a 137 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:52,480 government agent the government's lying 138 00:06:58,620 --> 00:06:55,090 to us there's an object by the Sun we're 139 00:07:00,270 --> 00:06:58,630 all gonna die and Jesus come I'm not 140 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:00,280 kidding I'm it I'm not kidding I was 141 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:05,650 full bore here we go then I was 142 00:07:12,450 --> 00:07:07,630 approached by a theoretical particle 143 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:12,460 physicist Claudia I don't like staying 144 00:07:18,930 --> 00:07:14,800 people's full names you can add that out 145 00:07:21,030 --> 00:07:18,940 later if you need to I am certain 146 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:21,040 they're gonna find this video and look 147 00:07:28,470 --> 00:07:23,860 to strike it she approached me I believe 148 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:28,480 it's August 16 2016 and I had paid I had 149 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:30,910 made one of my goofy Planet X videos 150 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:34,410 which is just a random array of 151 00:07:42,380 --> 00:07:38,200 subscribers sending me pictures of at 152 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:42,390 the time I didn't know known planetary 153 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:45,960 anomalies will stay and just known 154 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:48,430 astronomical things you should learn in 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:51,460 school and lens flares and cool looking 156 00:07:55,170 --> 00:07:53,410 sky formations that's really all it 157 00:07:59,880 --> 00:07:55,180 might put it together and said it's 158 00:08:03,030 --> 00:07:59,890 Planet X okay so I put out a clip of the 159 00:08:05,750 --> 00:08:03,040 is that's feed this just has a weird 160 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:05,760 lens on it and she came to me and said 161 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:10,080 there's no way that's the Sun it's a 162 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:14,470 containment system it's a Sun simulator 163 00:08:21,650 --> 00:08:17,980 and I'm like holy [\h__\h] this lady's are 164 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:21,660 real theoretical particle physicist so 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:25,840 I'm like it's a physicist this is real 166 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:29,530 oh no right what are we gonna do at the 167 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:32,860 time she was working anonymously with a 168 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:36,910 channel wso and she was putting out her 169 00:08:40,250 --> 00:08:37,990 thoughts and the 170 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:40,260 form of a kind of a physicist thoughts 171 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:44,169 type of the white paper that she would 172 00:08:46,829 --> 00:08:45,490 put out right 173 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:46,839 they weren't peer-reviewed documents 174 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:50,260 there were just little white papers she 175 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:52,240 camera approached me and we started a 176 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:54,910 friendship I started exclusively putting 177 00:09:00,810 --> 00:08:58,959 out for material which some of some of 178 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:00,820 the stuff you just can't find on YouTube 179 00:09:05,430 --> 00:09:02,649 anymore a lot of most of it I have 180 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:05,440 deleted purged or struck the videos 181 00:09:10,139 --> 00:09:07,420 where I could that there is some so 182 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:10,149 spill some videos where you can see me 183 00:09:14,910 --> 00:09:12,220 putting together a physicists thoughts 184 00:09:15,269 --> 00:09:14,920 which is it's not her I would never say 185 00:09:19,769 --> 00:09:15,279 her name 186 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:19,779 would never release her documents and it 187 00:09:24,570 --> 00:09:21,490 was just a presentation for the day 188 00:09:27,389 --> 00:09:24,580 about Planet X so I would put out the 189 00:09:30,090 --> 00:09:27,399 physicists thoughts presentation and 190 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:30,100 just read it on the screen and put out a 191 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:32,320 youtube video well needless to say 192 00:09:37,139 --> 00:09:34,870 things started get it he is for the 193 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:37,149 debunkers and at the time I didn't know 194 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:41,050 didn't want to know the debunkers that's 195 00:09:45,329 --> 00:09:42,550 when things started to get a little bit 196 00:09:51,210 --> 00:09:45,339 crazy we worked together for a couple of 197 00:09:54,569 --> 00:09:51,220 months and I dated a girl and Florida I 198 00:09:58,519 --> 00:09:54,579 went and saved her life literally from 199 00:10:01,949 --> 00:09:58,529 Hurricane Matthew and I was around 2 / 6 200 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:01,959 2016 around that date we went to Georgia 201 00:10:06,569 --> 00:10:04,660 with her dogs I'm all wrapped up in the 202 00:10:08,699 --> 00:10:06,579 Planet X and the lady and she tells me 203 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:08,709 look at this physicist that you're 204 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:13,620 working with something's not right and 205 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:16,089 at the time the girl that I was dating 206 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:20,160 believed in her own nonsense so I 207 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:24,720 stopped doing my channel I deleted I 208 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:27,910 can't resist I make another channel and 209 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:29,470 I call it a physicist thoughts I keep 210 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:32,440 working with this physicist around that 211 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:35,290 time I I met a man Scott and this is 212 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:37,260 where things started to get really bad 213 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:40,510 he was really interested and my 214 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:42,850 relationship with this lady now some of 215 00:10:47,610 --> 00:10:43,810 what I'm going to say I think 216 00:10:50,890 --> 00:10:47,620 speculations but if you were in my shoes 217 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:50,900 you would see that he knew 218 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:54,260 she had a psychological issue and he 219 00:11:00,700 --> 00:10:57,200 wanted to use it to his advantage for 220 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:00,710 money hmm I knew that I knew that that 221 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:02,630 that's what this dude was coming to me 222 00:11:07,210 --> 00:11:05,120 for because at the time I wasn't totally 223 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:07,220 gone with the topic I knew something 224 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:09,860 wasn't right because spokes were putting 225 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:12,320 out things I needed to questioning me 226 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:14,210 directly asking me and I would try to 227 00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:19,790 delete it and block it all right so we 228 00:11:22,530 --> 00:11:21,680 start working together the physicist 229 00:11:25,150 --> 00:11:22,540 Anaya 230 00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:25,160 she's actually the only lecturer at the 231 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:29,120 University I didn't know well we all 232 00:11:33,070 --> 00:11:30,830 three start working together I don't 233 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:33,080 know exactly what happened now oh okay 234 00:11:39,460 --> 00:11:36,890 it's a big deal certain folks wanted to 235 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:39,470 find out her name and I was doing 236 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:42,290 everything I could to keep it anonymous 237 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:44,450 I didn't wanted her to get in trouble 238 00:11:51,940 --> 00:11:46,460 because she was at a university 239 00:11:55,090 --> 00:11:51,950 her name was embedded in a PDF and wso 240 00:11:57,970 --> 00:11:55,100 had released her documents which we 241 00:12:00,430 --> 00:11:57,980 didn't want to do and I still would have 242 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:00,440 found her name and from that folks found 243 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:03,200 her name went to the University and 244 00:12:11,380 --> 00:12:08,020 complain ultimately she was censured for 245 00:12:13,930 --> 00:12:11,390 bringing disrepute to the University 246 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:13,940 when was this approximately that's this 247 00:12:21,100 --> 00:12:19,070 is May of 2017 okay cuz if you search 248 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,110 the intent now for her name like you get 249 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:23,440 lots of articles about oh you're gonna 250 00:12:33,190 --> 00:12:27,140 stuff yes and he has done everything 251 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:33,200 possible to hide any evidence of me and 252 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:37,100 a good letter like debunking what really 253 00:12:45,850 --> 00:12:42,170 took place and any kind of documents of 254 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:45,860 any kind because the folks you know 255 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:50,540 YouTube's Community Guidelines you can't 256 00:12:56,170 --> 00:12:52,910 just release people's documents and yeah 257 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,180 you know so when you say when you say 258 00:13:00,520 --> 00:12:58,880 you were working together with with them 259 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:00,530 does that mean you it's basically 260 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:01,850 working together on making YouTube 261 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:03,790 videos or was this get more than that 262 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:05,710 that's right yeah we just kind of 263 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:07,330 started putting out the presentations 264 00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:10,060 and then started doing a hangout the 265 00:13:14,970 --> 00:13:12,420 three of us on a live stream on YouTube 266 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:14,980 and then it just kind of was those two 267 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:18,900 and I started kind of backing away and 268 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:22,000 because she was censured for bringing 269 00:13:27,270 --> 00:13:25,900 disrepute to the University she there 270 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:27,280 she was going to go into discipline 271 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:30,850 plenary whatever had to talk to her and 272 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:32,800 they also did a medical exam on a 273 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:34,990 medical or mental health evaluation and 274 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:37,330 determined at the time that she had PTSD 275 00:13:43,580 --> 00:13:40,840 that probably predated this whole 276 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:43,590 YouTube nonsense because we had folks 277 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:47,680 and the ugly part of YouTube and social 278 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:52,530 media doxxing heard myself and others an 279 00:14:00,150 --> 00:13:55,810 attempt to just kind of going both ways 280 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:00,160 right for folks to have their attention 281 00:14:06,090 --> 00:14:03,570 to the fact that she was a charlatan 282 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:06,100 wasn't quite right and was putting out 283 00:14:12,630 --> 00:14:10,300 nonsense and I was hoping well I kept 284 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:12,640 continuing backing this person and tell 285 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:16,600 this disrepute thing happened Accenture 286 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:20,110 and her mental health evaluation which 287 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:23,380 is something very personal right but I 288 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:26,380 was involved in the entire process and I 289 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:29,290 felt bad I didn't want her name being 290 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:31,810 out there never wanted that to happen so 291 00:14:39,930 --> 00:14:34,860 this thing kind of exploded in my face 292 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:39,940 well Scott was trying to get her here to 293 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:42,420 the United States as his wife I'm 294 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:47,760 certain under a 90-day fiance visa 295 00:14:56,610 --> 00:14:50,530 without my knowledge and that was around 296 00:14:59,250 --> 00:14:56,620 July 6 2017 and I frigging lost it I'm 297 00:15:03,300 --> 00:14:59,260 like this is all [\h__\h] this is all 298 00:15:05,970 --> 00:15:03,310 lives you guys this is nonsense image I 299 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:05,980 don't know what it did to me but it was 300 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:06,670 the lies 301 00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:11,550 because months and months and months 302 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:15,640 from 2016 you know I was apprised of 303 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:17,350 folks trying to let me know 304 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:19,120 you know these are just lance flares 305 00:15:26,490 --> 00:15:22,690 this is mm-hmm real stuff that isn't 306 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,500 nonsense like we can bed this you know 307 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:28,480 what are you doing and he explained just 308 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:31,510 kept ignoring the common sense they kept 309 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:34,240 ignoring the folks honest attempt is to 310 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:36,040 debunk and help me understand what I was 311 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:38,800 looking at and not mislead people so I 312 00:15:46,770 --> 00:15:43,060 lost it I was like this is all BS and I 313 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:46,780 started speaking out about these two 314 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:54,820 well things escalated the threatened 315 00:16:01,380 --> 00:15:57,210 means got with physical violence and 316 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:01,390 others I had to go to the FBI on April 317 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:07,470 11th of 2018 roughly June of 2018 318 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:11,620 Claudia put out a video that the FBI had 319 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:16,120 detained Scott for my understanding well 320 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:17,710 the FBI is they're not gonna tell you 321 00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:19,390 anything I met with them for an hour and 322 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:22,300 a half with my dad to make sure I didn't 323 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:24,760 say anything stupid so these guys are 324 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:26,170 the real deal I gave him a stack of 325 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:30,220 paper of this guy's threats alright to 326 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:32,170 myself and others it looks like they 327 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:34,180 took it serious because he was on an 328 00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:37,540 open bench for it roughly in June until 329 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:42,430 now he was put in prison Reaper old put 330 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:44,260 on an electronic monitoring device and 331 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:47,170 I'm certain he's on house arrest I I 332 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:50,830 have had a very difficult time dealing 333 00:16:57,630 --> 00:16:53,770 with their harassment towards me because 334 00:17:01,830 --> 00:16:57,640 now I am a government agent and they 335 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:01,840 have books that stay on Amazon is a 336 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:04,780 special agent secret agent government 337 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:07,570 agent troll so they kind of flipped it 338 00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:09,970 on me right and I know I have there's a 339 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:11,800 whole bunch of stuff I didn't cover in 340 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:13,750 that but that's kind of where we're at 341 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:17,589 today so I'm upset I want people to know 342 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:20,110 that this absolutely destroyed my life 343 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:23,920 and my family and folks got a hold of my 344 00:17:30,270 --> 00:17:27,430 employer they made false claims to my 345 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:30,280 employer at the time I had some fire I'm 346 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:31,090 a contractor 347 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:33,490 it's different and I was investigated 348 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:36,610 for a month all right something I didn't 349 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:36,970 do 350 00:17:40,619 --> 00:17:38,860 so that was kind of why I was letting 351 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:40,629 you know I don't want folks don't worry 352 00:17:47,999 --> 00:17:44,620 I work and live etcetera because Scott 353 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:48,009 and Claudia namely Scott will continue 354 00:17:54,629 --> 00:17:51,450 to Doc's bully threaten and intimidate 355 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:54,639 using YouTube's Community Guidelines and 356 00:18:00,600 --> 00:17:57,220 then getting his followers basically to 357 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,610 talk [\h__\h] about you well certain people 358 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:02,799 deal with it very well I don't deal with 359 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:04,840 that very well this has been really hard 360 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:08,529 for me to know how to respond and how to 361 00:18:16,499 --> 00:18:13,330 move on and I guess that's where I'm at 362 00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:16,509 now I'm moving leaving I don't want to 363 00:18:22,739 --> 00:18:19,149 make videos about these people however I 364 00:18:24,090 --> 00:18:22,749 do want folks to know I do want them to 365 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:24,100 know and I don't think it should come 366 00:18:31,259 --> 00:18:28,600 from me my story is probably a typical 367 00:18:34,769 --> 00:18:31,269 since not very many folks worked with 368 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:34,779 her directly and known her well I spent 369 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:36,850 literally hundreds of hours on Hangouts 370 00:18:44,399 --> 00:18:41,289 with her and him and honestly it's just 371 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:44,409 a fear porn for-profit scam he knows 372 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:47,769 that she is not totally healthy and 373 00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:50,769 needs help and he's exploiting that so 374 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:52,830 that's kind of where my story went 375 00:18:58,619 --> 00:18:55,480 interesting said just so you're saying 376 00:18:59,700 --> 00:18:58,629 that she actually believes in it she 377 00:19:05,220 --> 00:18:59,710 actually thinks that there's something 378 00:19:07,259 --> 00:19:05,230 going on it's both she does believe 379 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:07,269 something's going on but at the same 380 00:19:14,369 --> 00:19:11,529 time when you see her that's a tough one 381 00:19:17,399 --> 00:19:14,379 man I really do think yes that she 382 00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:17,409 believes but there is some credibility 383 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:19,869 of her understanding the truth there and 384 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:23,730 so she does manipulate a little bit 385 00:19:28,649 --> 00:19:26,590 we'll say a lot according to some folks 386 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:28,659 but I would see that there's a real core 387 00:19:33,450 --> 00:19:31,389 belief there yes so how does she address 388 00:19:35,009 --> 00:19:33,460 the the debunkers like when a debunking 389 00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:35,019 comes and explains that this particular 390 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:37,240 thing is obviously a lens flare and then 391 00:19:41,159 --> 00:19:39,070 demonstrates that it's the lens flare 392 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:41,169 does she ever directly address things 393 00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:42,970 like that 394 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:45,700 not typically the comments will be 395 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:50,950 deleted and folks will be grouped into 396 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:53,620 the you're a government troll category 397 00:19:57,660 --> 00:19:54,790 you're jealous 398 00:20:00,120 --> 00:19:57,670 we have jobs this isn't for jobs or 399 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:00,130 money we're trying to save people's 400 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:03,070 lives so don't listen to the fear 401 00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:07,660 mongers that are delusional they yes so 402 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:09,780 there's never a straightforward 403 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:12,610 technical or scientific answer that has 404 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:15,250 ever provided if it's too much the 405 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:18,070 comments deleted and this is something 406 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:20,020 that you were involved in doing as well 407 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:22,120 way back before yes you kind of flipped 408 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,530 so you you would just get it 409 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:25,120 automatically do this type of thing like 410 00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:28,630 delete comments and ignore things yes my 411 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:32,230 I was really good at ignoring blocks so 412 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:33,970 at the time they you you you believed 413 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:36,760 that there was an actual Planet X in the 414 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:38,200 solar system and there was something 415 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:41,110 there and NASA was hiding it and there 416 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:43,330 was all this Sun simulators and things 417 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:47,320 like that yeah all of it yes it NASA's a 418 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:51,790 why it's meant to just hide the true 419 00:21:09,090 --> 00:21:04,320 and so folks like you it's so refreshing 420 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:09,100 because you have this complete correct 421 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:12,070 as far as I'm concerned point of view 422 00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:17,310 are more structured and fundamentally 423 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:23,400 wholesome view of reality 424 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:27,610 oh no for real like there's a way that 425 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:32,260 you break things down just into 1 2 3 4 426 00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:36,610 5 and it's so a matter of fact right and 427 00:21:40,530 --> 00:21:38,470 there's not a lot to conjecture with 428 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:40,540 your work because you can back it up 429 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:42,490 like that and with these other folks 430 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:44,170 that's totally the opposite block delete 431 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:46,600 you know get away from it you know don't 432 00:21:53,970 --> 00:21:48,490 even answer oh you're a troll whatever 433 00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:53,980 so be your view and how you manipulate 434 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:56,470 the data and a debunk 435 00:22:02,430 --> 00:21:59,950 fashion he's been cool yeah I saw that I 436 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,440 think trying to try to communicate 437 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:04,720 really how to explain things to people 438 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:06,850 because often I think scientists will 439 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:08,710 understand things that they're not 440 00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:10,180 always very good at explaining things 441 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:13,980 and you can't get to the the route 442 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:16,390 misunderstandings of people is is really 443 00:22:22,350 --> 00:22:20,050 key yeah so like when you say you kind 444 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:22,360 of you kind of lost it and you can't 445 00:22:29,250 --> 00:22:25,690 flipped was it like just this sudden 446 00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:29,260 realization that it was all nonsense or 447 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:31,870 did it with it like specific things that 448 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:33,970 you realize that this doesn't make sense 449 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:37,720 was it more gradual so I saw a few 450 00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:40,600 videos from Daza the cameraman all right 451 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:41,320 good guy 452 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,410 on YouTube I love dazzle you talk often 453 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:47,640 there's something about him and how he 454 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:50,800 debunks that it was really difficult for 455 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:53,680 me to look away mm-hm and in my heart 456 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:56,920 and in my mind I'm like that this is 457 00:23:00,930 --> 00:22:58,690 what's going on it's what he's saying 458 00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:00,940 I'm like dude oh I don't want to deal 459 00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:03,670 with it now that's why I kept defending 460 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:10,360 it I'm like ah it's [\h__\h] oh no what 461 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:13,210 do we do so it was working on me for 462 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:15,490 months and then at the time that they 463 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:17,590 basically lied about you know her coming 464 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:19,180 to the country which really isn't a big 465 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:21,490 deal that's her personal thing I was so 466 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,510 into the nonsense that I immediately and 467 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:28,960 I'm glad I snapped I just was like this 468 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:33,100 is all lies why am i doing this and it 469 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:35,050 could fetch elated at that moment we she 470 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:37,030 moved here well I say I kind of built up 471 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:39,190 with you like you having essentially 472 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:42,850 Dazza I mean explain things to you and 473 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:44,290 desert glamour and he's like he's an 474 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:46,330 Australian debunkers aney that's right 475 00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:48,910 yes yeah yeah he's a nice guy he does a 476 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:51,430 lot of stuff with flat earth as well I 477 00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:53,410 think yes he does 478 00:23:58,980 --> 00:23:56,140 yeah did you ever get any overlap in 479 00:24:01,530 --> 00:23:58,990 your like community with the planet x 480 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:01,540 and Flat Earth it seems like they 481 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:02,650 wouldn't really could become a little 482 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:06,550 but yes a little bit of stuff there not 483 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:10,450 much I see a lot of overlap 484 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:13,960 the sudden simulator implanted eyes and 485 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:15,460 just a little bit of it the flat earth 486 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:17,289 but it seems more polarized and it 487 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:19,210 seemed like the folks that were more 488 00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:22,210 technical and debunking we're on the 489 00:24:27,690 --> 00:24:25,169 flatter side meaning they would actually 490 00:24:29,999 --> 00:24:27,700 adhere to some of the principles of 491 00:24:33,629 --> 00:24:30,009 debate and would actually sound a little 492 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,639 bit more wordy and and cool sounding 493 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:35,919 scientific sounding a little bit more 494 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:37,720 sharp sound hammer and I try to be a 495 00:24:42,389 --> 00:24:40,210 little community but the similarities 496 00:24:44,389 --> 00:24:42,399 are almost identical between both it's 497 00:24:47,159 --> 00:24:44,399 just seeing like I would get a better 498 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,169 debunking conversation either way from 499 00:24:53,129 --> 00:24:50,320 the Flat Earth folks so when you were 500 00:24:58,739 --> 00:24:53,139 like depends apply Tex what was your 501 00:24:59,759 --> 00:24:58,749 opinion of the flutter of those I had a 502 00:25:03,060 --> 00:24:59,769 hard time with that 503 00:25:06,299 --> 00:25:03,070 because I'm like well if the Earth's 504 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:06,309 friggin flat how is there in the biryu 505 00:25:13,019 --> 00:25:11,200 and did okay well yeah then God must 506 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:13,029 have made it flat because the Bible says 507 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:15,970 it right and I'm like okay now we're in 508 00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:18,129 a dome and there's a firmament and 509 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:20,440 there's water over us oh and they're 510 00:25:25,139 --> 00:25:23,080 luminaries so it must be oh and when it 511 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:25,149 comes close than we have problems 512 00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:27,570 because we're in the permanent early 513 00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:29,980 encapsulated something yeah I think 514 00:25:33,509 --> 00:25:31,539 that's about as good as I could get with 515 00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:33,519 that so you actually can't try to 516 00:25:37,729 --> 00:25:35,799 reconcile the two different belief 517 00:25:40,019 --> 00:25:37,739 systems for yourself to see if you could 518 00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:40,029 bring it all in together 519 00:25:44,849 --> 00:25:42,999 sure and I keep trying roughly every 520 00:25:46,229 --> 00:25:44,859 once in a while right because it's some 521 00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:46,239 of this stuff really lingers with you 522 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,679 for example there was a gift on Twitter 523 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,200 of the earth during this last Eclipse 524 00:25:58,769 --> 00:25:56,080 and you can see the Eclipse is cool 525 00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:58,779 little shadow there's like a swirly and 526 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:02,100 a coffee it was a wreck and I'm like 527 00:26:08,249 --> 00:26:05,320 that was an eclipse on a ball man come 528 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:08,259 on we're not on a flat thing alright and 529 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:10,210 it was cool to see that I couldn't have 530 00:26:18,299 --> 00:26:15,330 ever even felt that way or even mentally 531 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:18,309 I couldn't think that way so to see 532 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:20,710 actually how we really live and what we 533 00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:24,010 live in as firmware assuring it was 534 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:26,430 not assuring and the Flat Earth 535 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:32,230 firmament Nibiru craziness so I was 536 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:33,490 really interested when you mentioned 537 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:36,670 like your background like you grew up 538 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:39,010 with the UFOs and then you also 539 00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:41,710 mentioned that you are in Dalaran I 540 00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:44,260 guess that the Church of Jesus Christ of 541 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:47,830 latter-day saints how do you think the 542 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:50,740 church and the teachings of the church 543 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,350 can have affected you at all in in terms 544 00:27:00,930 --> 00:26:56,080 of how its you became this Planet X 545 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:00,940 person the whole thing about the last is 546 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:04,330 you know the second coming of Christ and 547 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:07,810 those teachings it was like oh we should 548 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:09,940 be able to see something cool you know 549 00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:12,430 before he comes right things are gonna 550 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:15,880 get crazy look at this you know just it 551 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:19,360 fit the pattern like oh we're told you 552 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:20,830 know here that everything would be 553 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,410 revealed before Christ is there a lot of 554 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:28,960 people within the moment chips you think 555 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:30,940 that's like near the apocalypse the end 556 00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:34,660 times of very near is that part of yes 557 00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:36,700 judges teachings now or is it just kind 558 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:42,160 of an offshoot well if you were of 559 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:43,360 course I'm not a spokesman for the 560 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:46,090 church but if you were to watch the 561 00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:49,300 worldwide General Conference from the 12 562 00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:51,670 apostles and around the Prophet and his 563 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:54,940 two counselors they've pretty much all 564 00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:57,340 infer that and do say God we're in the 565 00:28:01,320 --> 00:27:59,380 last days and you know we just need to 566 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:01,330 buck up those things are going to 567 00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:04,530 continue to round buck all right yes 568 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:07,060 yeah it's very interesting so in a fear 569 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:16,200 yeah it's like you have the the year's 570 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:18,010 worth of food in your house and things 571 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:19,930 like that certainly if you have your 572 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:21,850 food storage and if you're spiritually 573 00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:22,410 ready 574 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:25,480 you should be far more prepared than 575 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:28,420 most but then that I think maybe gives 576 00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:30,580 kind of an expectation of there is 577 00:28:35,770 --> 00:28:33,040 something about to happen and maybe you 578 00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:35,780 start looking for those things to have 579 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:41,790 yeah so it was easy to justify anything 580 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:45,840 as it's the last days we'll just lump it 581 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:48,690 into that right oh he's coming yeah so 582 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,110 the religious part I think makes things 583 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:53,760 and if you get into the Planet X and 584 00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,010 that flat earth then you see the folks 585 00:29:03,049 --> 00:28:59,760 that are religious zealots it gets 586 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:03,059 extremely concerning and weird yeah that 587 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:06,510 people who tries to do things to hurry 588 00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:08,490 up the apocalypse I know like within 589 00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,990 some are Christian things there are 590 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:11,400 people who think that if we go to war 591 00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:14,130 with Israel then that would make make 592 00:29:26,539 --> 00:29:23,270 right 593 00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:26,549 okay certain things have to happen but I 594 00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:29,780 don't think we could make them happen so 595 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:33,299 you said you were into conspiracy 596 00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,049 theories before as well before Planet X 597 00:29:41,150 --> 00:29:39,360 what what were sort of things that you 598 00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,160 are really spending time on background 599 00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:43,200 before Planet Earth Bigfoot Bigfoot 600 00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:46,860 Bigfoot yeah I really like Bigfoot and 601 00:29:53,539 --> 00:29:51,179 the work from Todd standing he's got 602 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:53,549 some pretty interesting pictures and if 603 00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:58,980 they are dummies or masks oh wow they're 604 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:01,020 pretty good but hey I don't know I've 605 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:02,760 learned from this planet next thing that 606 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:06,720 it's easy to be fooled yeah absolutely 607 00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,450 because charlatans and others as well 608 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:12,179 furthering a charlatan agenda so but 609 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:15,929 yeah mostly my ones were Bigfoot UFOs 610 00:30:21,860 --> 00:30:21,120 planned X so we need like Bigfoot I 611 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:21,870 wouldn't really call it conspiracy 612 00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:24,330 theory here it's more just kind of it's 613 00:30:29,539 --> 00:30:25,799 not like this the government is covering 614 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:29,549 our Bigfoot well yeah some of the 615 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:35,370 circles they would say that right there 616 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:37,290 because it's something that I can't 617 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,820 prove one way or the other that's like 618 00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:43,679 yeah this type of thing that will be 619 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:45,990 classes unexplained and you see things 620 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:47,850 on the Discovery Channel about it yeah 621 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:48,250 whoo 622 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:51,430 Serena the UFO is I suppose is more of a 623 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:53,110 conspiracy theory because people do 624 00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,410 think the government is covering up UFO 625 00:31:01,230 --> 00:30:59,440 what do you think of the the most recent 626 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:01,240 UFO stuff you know the stuff I've been 627 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:03,010 talking about the gimbal and the ticket 628 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:04,540 and yeah 629 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:07,510 how dumb are these guys gonna feel that 630 00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:12,190 they were recording another you know jet 631 00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:16,060 or a missile you know a few miles up you 632 00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:17,860 know and that was my first impressions 633 00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:19,420 like you got to feel really stupid 634 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,350 offenses we debunked it that glitch but 635 00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:25,120 the way you've debunked it how how you 636 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:26,860 moved it like the top half of the video 637 00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:29,890 kind of how you moved it oh and I hated 638 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:32,440 it that way that was a really good way 639 00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:34,150 of bringing out what you were trying to 640 00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:39,550 say but yeah it might be very 641 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:43,480 explainable yeah well I it's not not for 642 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,600 sure but you know thinking that this 643 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:48,880 does seem to be something yet there this 644 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:50,710 doesn't look like it's a distant plane 645 00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:54,330 and the rotation thing this is where the 646 00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:57,070 the rotation of the the craft is 647 00:32:00,660 --> 00:31:58,780 probably just a rotation of the glare 648 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:00,670 and you can kind of see as the lights 649 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:03,280 and the whole scene can it move up at 650 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:04,510 the same thing as the camera rotates 651 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:07,270 I've had a hard time explaining that's 652 00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:14,040 so what about other conspiracy theories 653 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,160 like like chemtrails idea I get into 654 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:20,080 that glad you said that 655 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:22,540 so do you know who Dean Whittington is 656 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:24,520 oh yeah hi know me very well I've talked 657 00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:27,700 to him a few times as well so I offered 658 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:30,760 my technical services to Dan a few times 659 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:32,230 for free and I have this phone number 660 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:34,890 I've talked to him quite a few times I 661 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:36,870 supported him at his work 662 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:40,900 right after about two thousand thirteen 663 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:43,660 fourteen fifteen into sixteen 664 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:47,290 I really followed him on Facebook no 665 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:48,760 joke I really have his phone number and 666 00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:50,050 talked to him quite a few times he's a 667 00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:50,800 good dude 668 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:54,540 now yeah I mean nice guy yeah yeah I 669 00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:56,530 can't believe he has such a huge 670 00:33:01,560 --> 00:32:59,470 property here in Shasta yeah I offered 671 00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:01,570 some of my technical services I feel bad 672 00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:04,180 I wasn't able to he'd asked me for some 673 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:06,670 real secure kind of stuff that I was 674 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:09,430 like I don't know what to tell you buddy 675 00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:13,660 it's thinking of buying on him yeah or 676 00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:18,070 whatever yeah so you said like you know 677 00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:19,240 Dane Wigington obviously the big 678 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:22,420 chemtrail guy like what do you think of 679 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:25,990 chemtrails now no kentrell theory well 680 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:29,890 thing the 70s I'm certain there's the 681 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:32,200 Stratus all the stress what is there 682 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:34,930 some kind of stratospheric aerosol 683 00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:36,910 injection yeah there you go 684 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:38,260 I know that they're doing something like 685 00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:40,090 that right isn't it to keep the planet 686 00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:43,420 cool well then the guys shut out that's 687 00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:46,120 the theory I'd uh you know they don't 688 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:47,260 think they're actually doing I don't 689 00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:48,670 think they're actually doing it yet is 690 00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:49,900 something that they might be a future 691 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:51,460 very something that they've researched 692 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:53,410 you know the possibility of spraying 693 00:33:59,370 --> 00:33:57,610 things from plans so see how bad I am I 694 00:34:01,980 --> 00:33:59,380 thought that that was actually something 695 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:01,990 that was really happening but I haven't 696 00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:04,150 ever since they let go of the plane the 697 00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:06,750 next day they let go of everyday 698 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:10,630 including the chemtrails so did you just 699 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:13,450 kind of lose your you lose your 700 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:16,530 enthusiasm for this type of thing yes 701 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:20,650 yeah it seems like a deflation in a way 702 00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:22,570 when you realized that there wasn't 703 00:34:26,779 --> 00:34:23,399 anything to 704 00:34:29,809 --> 00:34:26,789 I was able to apply the same type of 705 00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,819 logic for Planet X to other theories 706 00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,639 right and the UFO thing I just kind of 707 00:34:36,769 --> 00:34:34,619 let it go for a while and have it really 708 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:36,779 dealt with it until I saw some of your 709 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,929 work and I'm like no way and I really 710 00:34:45,379 --> 00:34:42,240 felt like like how you had done with the 711 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,389 FLIR the little ghost image or whatever 712 00:34:49,489 --> 00:34:47,399 around that's typical of a FLIR camera 713 00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:49,499 on the object just different stuff like 714 00:34:54,769 --> 00:34:52,200 that on my nobody has said anything yeah 715 00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:54,779 come on you guys you know I'm like wow 716 00:35:00,019 --> 00:34:57,420 we could debunk this - all day long so 717 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:00,029 yeah it deflated my interest in 718 00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,910 everything I just had to step away yeah 719 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:04,859 that that thing was where the it looked 720 00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,650 like it was glowing like cold and then 721 00:35:12,049 --> 00:35:09,720 people are saying that the UFO was 722 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:12,059 creating its own anti-gravity field and 723 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,740 so the air inside would be cold because 724 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:15,420 it's anti-gravity which cools things 725 00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,220 down when really it was just yeah it was 726 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:22,619 just the the sharpening in the camera 727 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:25,049 they increase the contrast around the 728 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:26,490 edges of things which is where you get 729 00:35:29,809 --> 00:35:28,230 glows and I show some videos of like a 730 00:35:32,269 --> 00:35:29,819 little girl dancing and she was glowing 731 00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:32,279 and it was the exact same thing and 732 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:33,569 obviously she's the little girl didn't 733 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:35,970 have an anti-gravity field but if people 734 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,650 had actually mentioned her before 735 00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:39,480 and part of the challenge was actually 736 00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:41,579 just getting getting the information out 737 00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:43,109 that's people like people have written 738 00:35:47,509 --> 00:35:45,150 about it like you know over a year ago 739 00:35:50,269 --> 00:35:47,519 on my site and you know I'd mentioned it 740 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:50,279 on my site I was just gonna say see how 741 00:35:56,479 --> 00:35:54,690 easy it is to for me still and I'm still 742 00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,489 kind of working through it's a it's a 743 00:36:01,549 --> 00:35:58,980 way of thinking where you hold on to 744 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:01,559 stuff like this very simple statement 745 00:36:05,509 --> 00:36:03,210 like well nobody wrote anything about 746 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:05,519 that well it I've had to learn that you 747 00:36:09,609 --> 00:36:07,410 can't just make flavor and statements 748 00:36:13,009 --> 00:36:09,619 like now I'm not actually doing research 749 00:36:16,099 --> 00:36:13,019 so I'm glad you said that really I'm 750 00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,109 just warning I'm not afraid to admit it 751 00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,119 it's just like the whole conspiracy 752 00:36:24,049 --> 00:36:21,359 thing it's easy to make it a religion 753 00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:24,059 for your soft almost their alternative 754 00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,609 theories and whatever I just call it I 755 00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:28,859 could bump it into conspiracy theories 756 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:30,900 but I just know that has a real 757 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:33,170 traumatic psychological effect on people 758 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:36,850 as it has affected me so just 759 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,400 very negative all right but what what 760 00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:41,200 what is that psychological effect though 761 00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:43,360 is it kind of a depression or something 762 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:46,780 like that or is it just uh yes sir 763 00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:53,650 just depressed feeling stupid right just 764 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:01,140 kind of like how was I so gullible and 765 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:07,200 literally is like a drug and and you you 766 00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:10,900 you go through this emotional stimulant 767 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:13,600 or stimulus every time you get into a 768 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:17,260 new theory or versions of the theory or 769 00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:20,050 escalations regarding the topic on 770 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:22,630 social media and it becomes an addictive 771 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,650 cycle and when you don't have that and 772 00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:29,680 you use that to express yourself and 773 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:31,060 kind of lean on it for just about 774 00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:33,100 everything because you were having other 775 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:37,000 issues in your life yeah I guess there's 776 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:38,200 a depression there's a loneliness 777 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:42,010 there's a something missing and then you 778 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:43,840 start thinking about it and yeah I think 779 00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:45,630 that's more the depression and how 780 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:50,310 stupid you feel for being global and 781 00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:52,780 participating in so much nonsense and 782 00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:55,600 then having yourself you know you've 783 00:38:01,590 --> 00:37:58,440 literally changed your mind on things 784 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:01,600 and a negative aspect so I think that 785 00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:04,600 that's the psychological trauma the 786 00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,480 conspiracy theory type of stuff can you 787 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:09,040 can get into yeah 788 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,710 now the interesting though like you say 789 00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:14,400 those things happen to you that after 790 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:16,990 and you you know you can't realize that 791 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:19,570 it was nonsense so it's almost like this 792 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:22,540 is this huge disincentive to stop 793 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:24,580 believing because you kind of see this 794 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:26,650 almost darkness on the other side and 795 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:28,780 they'll listen uncertainty like you when 796 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:32,290 you're in there you know that you you've 797 00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:33,730 got all these theories that you believe 798 00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:37,150 in which are great but then then you you 799 00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:39,190 lose it all it's like losing you're 800 00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:41,140 using religion it's like someone proving 801 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:42,520 to you that God isn't real or something 802 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:43,030 like that 803 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:47,760 sure sure so with a with a negative 804 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:50,380 psychological effects while you will 805 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:51,310 believe 806 00:38:58,500 --> 00:38:55,480 oh of course yeah because folks were 807 00:39:00,570 --> 00:38:58,510 trying to call me out and I couldn't 808 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:00,580 handle it and the way they were trying 809 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:02,830 to call me out some folks were very 810 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:03,550 positive 811 00:39:10,859 --> 00:39:07,020 others were negative very very negative 812 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:10,869 you know physical threats etc and it was 813 00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:13,630 hard to deal with these were like okay 814 00:39:17,849 --> 00:39:15,580 type people who are arguing with you on 815 00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:17,859 the Internet yeah so it seems like there 816 00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:19,780 are three categories of folks the ones 817 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:21,910 that believe the debunkers and then the 818 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:23,950 shifters the people that just have 819 00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:25,420 nothing else better to do 820 00:39:32,099 --> 00:39:29,200 to get under your skin and I had a real 821 00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:32,109 hard time with that category because 822 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:34,540 they had to debunk in them right because 823 00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,210 they knew it was because but they didn't 824 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,000 like me I guess that's the way that's 825 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:41,680 probably the best way to explain it 826 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,270 didn't like how I was presenting the 827 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:45,000 material and they kind of went after me 828 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:49,030 and it yeah it was a very negative 829 00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:51,220 experience because of all the docs in 830 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:54,460 and again the threats and and folks 831 00:40:00,660 --> 00:39:57,130 contacting peoples and players etc it 832 00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:00,670 you were always concerned that what's 833 00:40:06,930 --> 00:40:03,030 gonna happen next 834 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:06,940 so now you kind of ounce of the whole 835 00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,130 scene to a large degree and you're just 836 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:10,960 kind of moving on with your life is you 837 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:15,490 just kind of focusing on I guess and I'm 838 00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:17,890 rebuilding your life in a way that's 839 00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:20,200 right I just want to go to a new place 840 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:23,920 I love droning I love hiking as far as 841 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:25,390 I'm concerned to have a second chance 842 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:28,210 because I was cured of hepatitis C last 843 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,089 man 22nd 2018 after 28 years and I feel 844 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:36,400 like a new man yeah I'm good 845 00:40:41,579 --> 00:40:38,950 it's incredible so yeah I want to do 846 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:41,589 something good with the time I'm here on 847 00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:43,810 earth and my kids I really don't want 848 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:46,420 them to see a bunch of nonsense from me 849 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:48,790 on YouTube it wouldn't be cool if they 850 00:40:54,839 --> 00:40:50,740 would see so my drone videos because I 851 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:54,849 do like photography and that sprang out 852 00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:57,250 of me trying to find the biryu Yeah 853 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:00,820 right maybe you know maybe I'll catch 854 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:02,950 some UFOs on your drone that's quite a 855 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:04,120 lot of 856 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:08,740 a UFO drone videos that looked at that 857 00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:11,290 there has to be yeah yeah yeah you get 858 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:13,600 these things that go past the drone very 859 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:17,470 very fast call them zip ties and I think 860 00:41:20,310 --> 00:41:18,790 it's mostly just to do with the relative 861 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:20,320 motion of the drone because she drones 862 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,490 going through the air at 30 miles an 863 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,720 hour and you get something like alien 864 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:24,640 sex going by and everyone thinks it's a 865 00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,430 UFO and some of them are quite plain so 866 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:29,200 look out for those though that kind of 867 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:30,010 famine 868 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,460 well thank you very much your what that 869 00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,200 was a very interesting conversation I'm 870 00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:36,640 surely very interesting to a lot of